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发表于 2023-4-23 21:10 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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UPDATE:

AMD was quick to respond and provide a pre-paid shipping label for the RMA. I also heard from ASUS a little latter, who also offered replacements. It just came a little to late as to reduce downtime and for some stellar analysis content I had already sent them off to Steve. 🙏 Bless. No shade to ASUS though, It's only been 1 business day and this occurred end of week. Both AMD and ASUS have done a fantastic job in trying to make this right. I do feel for AMD and ASUS here as they did request that the parts be sent to them. It would have been good to have them get it first to provide an official solution quicker. Sorry guys.

Here are some images I have taken with magnifiers highlighting the damage: https://photos.app.goo.gl/tUKbc3tDWL6B6qqZ9

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Here is the full system: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/bdXJhk

As for timeline and some additional information...

7600X has been running without issue since mid February.

7800X3D was installed and running 24/7 since the date of purchased (Sunday, 04/16/23)

No CPU overclocking, just memory via the EXPO 1 profile.

F5-6000J3038F16GX2-TZ5NR is on the QVL.

No issues with temps or performance to date.

Have been gaming a decent amount on the system. Got 30% gains in ARMA 3 (Very CPU heavy game), MSFS both VR (2x framerate from 30FPS -> 60FPS) and non-VR (30FPS with no FPS improvement over 7600X), and various other games both VR and non-VR. CoD, Hunt Showdown, Rocket League & Breachers to name a few.

Returned home after leaving my system in a typical idle state with nothing strenuous running (I don't dismiss the fact that a background task could have been running) to the system unable to POST and a QCode of 00. Of which is typically associated with no CPU.

The AIO was hella toasty upon removal, will burn you hot, specifically the bracket. I speculate the short to have caused the heat. Especially if it continued to short while on. No form of protection was tripped.

The pins on the LGA do look intact, just recessed and slightly charred.

I did attempt to update the BIOS to 1101 from 0922 during installation, however due to issues with EXPO profiles being unstable and not POSTing, I returned to 0922. 1101 states "Improve system performance and stabilize AMD Ryzen 7000 X3D series processors", not that the your CPU and MOBO die and become murder and mystery.

The last point is my main suspicion, and that the BIOS update needs to be made mandatory. The sad part is, if you do that EXPO profiles will not work for this QVL memory, but it is better than frying everything. This is speculation. I think it is reasonable to think that not updating ones BIOS should not do this. Sure recommended, but not necessary. If so, it might be time for the industry to do BIOS updates without a CPU, with versions only supporting a qualified list.

My memory, F5-6000J3038F16GX2-TZ5NR is on the QVL. But as previously mentioned, would not POST with the EXPO profile from the Ryzen X3D "stabilizing" BIOS version. After reading that others were just reverting to older versions when EXPO wasn't working claiming instability, I did the same. I believe these posts were prior/not on X3D processors.

EDIT: After speaking with ASUS, it was brought to my attention that this technically isn't warrantied with AMD due to the use of EXPO. Which was news to me. The board is though through ASUS. I have always thought of EXPO/XMP as "verified/approved" settings for memory, and not so much an overclock. Especially since the QVL reflects that. This is not the case, and in fact the rated settings also vary by CPU, so just because the QVL says 6000/30-38-38-96, does not mean that it should work across CPUs. With this in mind, as I state above, I purposely went back to a BIOS version which POSTed with EXPO which was not an approved version for X3D series CPUs and chalked this up to BIOS instability rather than a potential intention by the BIOS engineers. So for people on a similar build, I'd say just make sure to update your BIOS and forgo EXPO for the time being until we know things are stable and working as intended. The cause here is still speculative, however may be a good safety measure to take.

I did spend a few minutes looking for the pinout of AM5 to see if where it is damaged is associated with the memory controller. I couldn't easily find anything. I will now leave the investigation and speculation to the professionals 😉.

I did get the same hardware so wish me luck 😬. I am up and running with the updated BIOS version and I ain't touching any memory timings for the time being. Nothing else was damaged. As to why the same parts? There just isn't enough competition or aesthetically as pleasing hardware IMO. I still don't get in a world of RGB, manufacturers using non-neutral colors on products. I'm looking at you MSI with that gold MOBO... Remember when Corsair had a yellow logo on RGB products 🤮?

Anywho, thanks for the support folks! Let's see how this unfolds.


链接:https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/12tlk7s/comment/jhbfh8y/

大致总结:

OP的系统是默认,未进行任何CPU超频

OP的电脑内存是F5-6000J3038F16GX2-TZ5NR,在主板的QCL列表内,OP仅仅开启了EXPO

OP尝试过更新BIOS到1101, 但是更新后出现EXPO开启后不稳定和开机无法POST的情况,所以OP又把BIOS降级回了0922

OP 4.16拿到CPU后直至出事前一直在正常使用78X3D玩游戏,电脑也没有关机,运行游戏性能正常

78X3D暴毙出现于某天OP不玩游戏后,电脑空载的情况下,OP出门了,回来发现电脑暴毙,系统无法POST,QCode显示00



 楼主| 发表于 2023-4-28 11:41 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
pun33981 发表于 2023-4-25 09:44
讲道理我一直用0922+二狐的参数也没烧U,感觉这不一定是BIOS有问题

现在还觉得不是BIOS的问题吗?
 楼主| 发表于 2023-4-28 11:40 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
zhao137314 发表于 2023-4-26 13:43
小黑屋了吗

禁言罢了
发表于 2023-4-26 13:43 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
小黑屋了吗
发表于 2023-4-25 14:42 | 显示全部楼层
确定了是1.4V电压问题
发表于 2023-4-25 14:39 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
nekotheo 发表于 2023-4-25 09:06
快去睡服enjoy哥

你是不是故意错字
在这个0>1的社会

发表于 2023-4-25 09:44 | 显示全部楼层
讲道理我一直用0922+二狐的参数也没烧U,感觉这不一定是BIOS有问题
发表于 2023-4-25 09:06 | 显示全部楼层
ljy1414 发表于 2023-4-25 05:17
? ??
主板娇贵那篇帖子,UP主都亲自到帖子内回覆是安排戏剧效果了
还说大家要骂尽量骂,我就火力全开了 ( ...

快去睡服enjoy哥
发表于 2023-4-25 05:17 | 显示全部楼层
twfox 发表于 2023-4-24 20:25
双标是吧 人身攻击截图我可是一堆。屁股就是歪的怪不得双标

? ??
主板娇贵那篇帖子,UP主都亲自到帖子内回覆是安排戏剧效果了
还说大家要骂尽量骂,我就火力全开了 (feat.力宏)

公鸡哥跟你在吵这件事,也没说你又立又当,整篇帖子看下来就你这句最粗鲁
你只差把【必取】这个字词说出来罢了
我又不会学你一样,粗鲁装高贵,我就是爱满嘴粗话当语助词的湾仔基佬

发表于 2023-4-24 21:44 | 显示全部楼层
老喵 发表于 2023-4-24 18:47
倒也不是吧,当时我也没想到主频那边的问题,因为我小参设的比老师低的多,但实际跑分却不如老师,因为我 ...

QQ图片20230219155326.jpg
其实吧,这么个内存频率6400到头的平台,到现在出来半年了吧,居然超个内存还得自己摸电压,就非常神奇。
发表于 2023-4-24 20:26 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 nickywin 于 2023-4-24 20:31 编辑
ykdo 发表于 2023-4-24 18:01
建议的SOC和MISC都是1.25,可俩狐狸都给到了1.45的样子


asus默认auto还1.489呢。。。。。。。。。。。。我也怀疑我坏那颗就是这么崩的。从0925到1202貌似只有1003的auto是正常的。
发表于 2023-4-24 20:25 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 twfox 于 2023-4-24 20:34 编辑

双标是吧 人身攻击截图我可是一堆。屁股就是歪的怪不得双标

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发表于 2023-4-24 20:22 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
字词点艹牢厂水军
发表于 2023-4-24 19:35 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
版主啊,另一个帖被锁了,twfox说人又立又当,不处理一下吗?

对线到人身攻击?
IMG_9973.jpeg
发表于 2023-4-24 18:47 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 老喵 于 2023-4-24 18:55 编辑
ykdo 发表于 2023-4-24 17:51
我咋觉得喵哥那兄弟就是完全不知道变通,U的体制和内存体制都不一样,任何作业都只是参考 ...


倒也不是吧,当时我也没想到主频那边的问题,因为我小参设的比老师低的多,但实际跑分却不如老师,因为我平时是没有超U的习惯的,所以我当时也不能理解。然后我那哥们儿就去翻了下记录,说不行就去抄一下老师的作业?我当时想的,我哥们那颗7950X体质很好,FCLK甚至可以2200的一颗小雕,抄个作业跑个效能看看然后再恢复,应该也没什么大问题吧?结果谁知道这作业一抄,就出事了。开机卡00,然后清空CMOS才有概率开机,最后发现只要ChA内存动一点就直接完蛋,我就知道了,是IMC的ChA挂了。
后面我在我自己的7950X3D的基础上调了一下PBO,这个时候成绩就好不少了,只能说思维定势了,没想太多CPU上的事情,其实AMD前几代超主频也会影响AIDA64跑分,我咋就没想到呢,如果早想到的话,我朋友那颗U就不会死了,还是可惜啊。

然后对于电压,我的理解是,在不知道这个电压具体是什么情况的时候,还是不能乱给。其实我觉得有些软参数这类的改改也倒不是不能接受吧,但是电压这种涉及到使用安全上的事情,加压还是要保持谨慎。misc voltage我一直不敢给高,还是因为它涉及的部分比较多,但是soc voltage的话就好些。超频也得知道什么参数是吃压,什么参数是不吃压的吧,如果对一个完全不吃压的东西去加压,那这种情况下不就是乱调嘛,或者说,有的参数的提升需要巨额电压付出的,这个参数“性价比”不高,这种情况下,加压也一样不值得。
发表于 2023-4-24 18:13 | 显示全部楼层
老喵 发表于 2023-4-24 15:14
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/8301821438
你看看这个帖子,不过他也是华硕主板,但是光是从他测量的这个情 ...

我那颗外观没烧,就列了下使用环境配置,拍了些不亮的视频,amd也没说什么直接叫ups上来收走,三周后换了颗原包。
发表于 2023-4-24 18:09 | 显示全部楼层
Veilace 发表于 2023-4-24 16:24
咦?我印象里joy哥不都是机器式的发通贴,而且基本发完就不怎么回的么,很难得看到这么高强度的反应啊[傻笑 ...

急了呗,还能说啥?
发表于 2023-4-24 18:03 | 显示全部楼层
hmu888 发表于 2023-4-24 17:58
AMD 药丸,农企要玩

不但农企药丸,估计要带上打人家
发表于 2023-4-24 18:01 | 显示全部楼层
老喵 发表于 2023-4-24 15:17
没啥好说的吧,我看了一眼ENJOY哥的作业,misc voltage给1.5v这不是瞎搞吗,明明这部分的电压对内存超频 ...

建议的SOC和MISC都是1.25,可俩狐狸都给到了1.45的样子
发表于 2023-4-24 17:58 | 显示全部楼层
AMD 药丸,农企要玩
发表于 2023-4-24 17:56 | 显示全部楼层
LambdaDelta 发表于 2023-4-24 10:21
昨天更新了bios之后,过了几个小时自动重启,开机显卡找不到了,吓得我赶紧关机,上班都没用远程桌面摸鱼。 ...

别用BIOS页面的工具刷,容易卡BUG重启
我是用后面板专刷BIOS的那个U口,用断电升级的BIOS才完好。
发表于 2023-4-24 17:52 | 显示全部楼层
华擎爱好者 发表于 2023-4-24 05:05
TW狐狸一直用ASUS 没见他用其他的

不是TW狐狸,是俩狐狸
发表于 2023-4-24 17:51 | 显示全部楼层
老喵 发表于 2023-4-23 23:38
突然想到身边某位朋友抄了ENJOY哥的作业,结果把U干废一个通道,你说这锅是AMD背还是ASUS背?我觉 ...

我咋觉得喵哥那兄弟就是完全不知道变通,U的体制和内存体制都不一样,任何作业都只是参考
发表于 2023-4-24 17:47 | 显示全部楼层
怎么又另开贴了,怪不得轮大发帖嫌你们太吵了
发表于 2023-4-24 16:58 | 显示全部楼层
老喵 发表于 2023-4-24 16:42
对呀,原因我都说了,人家PBO没开,所以跑分差了,这跟我有什么关系呢?
还谈什么怀恨在心,你以为我真的 ...


急了?我发的什么玩意不重要,重要的你把你得发出来学习啊。是不是自认为懂的才能发啊?你这人怎么怎么奇怪,跟谁都要杠?不过你倒是有自知之明确实没啥格局,自以为是罢了,人家就是开玩笑踩了你下,就记恨在心了?什么?我还不如XXXX?我不也是普通玩家,我又是专家了?还是是骨子里就认为我就是权威啊?
发表于 2023-4-24 16:42 | 显示全部楼层
twfox 发表于 2023-4-24 16:38
又绕回来了?我刚玩超频的时候也会抄作业,也会用别人的设置去设置,也会有效能跑的没我自己好的,以前也 ...

对呀,原因我都说了,人家PBO没开,所以跑分差了,这跟我有什么关系呢?
还谈什么怀恨在心,你以为我真的把你当回事了啊,当年是谁超频只会调个主时序跟65535然后就发BIOS截图了啊?看你够努力给你点面子才懒得说,要不是因为轮子把帖子全锁了一个个的能给你翻翻看你当年玩的都是什么奇葩东西
发表于 2023-4-24 16:38 | 显示全部楼层
老喵 发表于 2023-4-24 16:33
棒!人家烧了个U而已,连着这么多楼,行啊,我让你说misc voltage都是哪些东西,你又不说,又说什么确定 ...

又绕回来了?我刚玩超频的时候也会抄作业,也会用别人的设置去设置,也会有效能跑的没我自己好的,以前也坏了一次内存,我会去骂别人?

超频没风险?烧了个U帽子也要扣我身上?你教别人的时候坏了是不是也可以找你?

原来是抄了你作业不行踩了你,所以你就怀恨在心了?你咱就怎么小心眼?开个玩笑开不起?

MISC会挂A通吗 哪我试试加高点,正好RMA下大雷7950X3D。
发表于 2023-4-24 16:37 | 显示全部楼层
Z690 APEX。。。。我售后换过3块主板 没一个主板内存能让我6800点亮的  6400都跑不稳
换了Z790 APEX  平台 一样 只是单纯的换了一个主板 现在7800C34在用 A DIE  32*2
同样的X670E GENE 7950X我也抄了enjoy哥的作业 CPU SP分都一样 内存也能跑6400C28 但是 一重载就蓝屏  现在跑6400C32默认电压 +全核闲置5.4G 跑+DOC 完事了。。
发表于 2023-4-24 16:33 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 老喵 于 2023-4-24 16:35 编辑
twfox 发表于 2023-4-24 16:29
呵呵哒。不解释嘛又要给你扣, 解释了嘛又要说你自己对号入座的哈。 ...


棒!人家烧了个U而已,连着这么多楼,行啊,我让你说misc voltage都是哪些东西,你又不说,又说什么确定就是MISC电压问题。他之前是用我的作业,用了一阵,发现跑分没你高,反复重装系统确定还不是系统的问题,然后把我踩了一通,说我调的一些小参没啥用,然后某天突然就想着去抄了你的作业,这下好了,直接00,然后通道A挂掉。
其实跑分没你高的原因是他没开PBO,主频会影响跑分,他又不知道这点,也没给我说,惨剧就是这样来的。
所以misc voltage都是哪些电压啊?虽然我也不指望你回答了
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老喵 发表于 2023-4-24 16:24
谁给你下结论了?
我还说茅老师的APEX也是没有华硕主板四个大字的,别对号入座 ...

呵呵哒。不解释嘛又要给你扣, 解释了嘛又要说你自己对号入座的哈。
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