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[SSD] 简单讲一下清零的intel/Samsung的企业级SSD

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发表于 2019-2-2 15:56 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 ban2ben 于 2019-5-13 22:43 编辑

关于企业级SSD smart清零这个,我曾经跟相关的商家聊过。
Samsung:

Samsung的所有SATA盘都可以清,但是有个bug是B1清零无效。
因此如果你觉得自己的SATA盘可能存在问题,看一下B1。
如下图所示
这个盘是我之前买到的清零的SM863A 1.92T
可以看见B1=307(133换算10进制)
也就是说尽管这个盘清零了,但是B1还是记录了307次PE,鉴于这个盘价格很不错,笔者就没深究(毕竟6000+PE的盘,还是当仓库还是1R/G的eMLC)。
QQ图片20181017101220.jpg
目前已知的Samsung大部分nvme盘还不存在能清零的可能。
2019.5.13更新
Samsung的消费级NVME已经失守,大批量的SM961,PM961(北极星主控)的SSD翻车,凤凰主控的PM981/PM981A目前暂无相关翻车案例。


关于Intel
Intel的早期盘SF2281系列早就可以清零了,这个也不是新闻了。
重点放在intel的DC S3XXX系列上。
之前跟清零商家也交流过,大概是这样的。
牙膏厂的S3510/S3610/S3710使用主控intel PC29AS21CB0
牙膏厂的S3500/S3600/S3700使用主控intel PC29AS21CA0
尽管主控一致,但是不同主控搭配不同固件,而对于S35XX的开卡工具已经流出,据说因为工厂内鬼的因素,之前报价应该是15R/个清零。
目前已知的就是S35XX不怎么安全,36/37系列还算安全。
NVME方面也都算安全。

关于镁光

这个不用聊太多了
marvell 88SS918X几乎都有开卡工具,但是并不是所有盘都可以用,不同盘搭配的固件也不同。
不过很多盘是可以清的。
建议要买也买M600这种比较新的洋垃圾MLC
或者转投Marvell 88SS1074主控的TLC阵营也行。

如果有写错的地方,敬请谅解。
补充一下各厂smart列表及其定义

Generic HDD Ones:
01=Read Error Rate
02=Throughput Performance
03=Spin-Up Time
04=Start/Stop Count
05=Reallocated Sectors Count
06=Read Channel Margin
07=Seek Error Rate
08=Seek Time Performance
09=Power-On Hours
0A=Spin Retry Count
0B=Recalibration Retries
0C=Power Cycle Count
0D=Soft Read Error Rate stab
B8=End-to-End Error
BB=Reported Uncorrectable Errors
BC=Command Timeout
BD=High Fly Writes
BE=Airflow Temperature
BF=G-Sense Error Rate
C0=Power-off Retract Count
C1=Load/Unload Cycle Count
C2=Temperature
C3=Hardware ECC recovered
C4=Reallocation Event Count
C5=Current Pending Sector Count
C6=Uncorrectable Sector Count
C7=UltraDMA CRC Error Count
C8=Write Error Rate
C9=Soft Read Error Rate
CA=Data Address Mark Error
CB=Run Out Cancel
CC=Soft ECC Correction
CD=Thermal Asperity Rate
CE=Flying Height
CF=Spin High Current
D0=Spin Buzz
D1=Offline Seek Performance
D3=Vibration During Write
D4=Shock During Write
DC=Disk Shift
DD=G-Sense Error Rate
DE=Loaded Hours
DF=Load/Unload Retry Count
E0=Load Friction
E1=Load/Unload Cycle Count
E2=Load 'In'-time
E3=Torque Amplification Count
E4=Power-Off Retract Cycle
E6=GMR Head Amplitude
E7=Temperature
F0=Head Flying Hours
FA=Read Error Retry Rate
FE=Free Fall Protection
F1=Total Host Writes
F2=Total Host Reads
[SmartSsd] – generic attributes for SSDs
01=Read Error Rate
02=Throughput Performance
03=Spin-Up Time
04=Start/Stop Count
05=Reallocated Sectors Count
06=Read Channel Margin
07=Seek Error Rate
08=Seek Time Performance
09=Power-On Hours
0A=Spin Retry Count
0B=Recalibration Retries
0C=Power Cycle Count
0D=Soft Read Error Rate stab
C0=Unsafe Shutdown Count
C2=Temperature
C4=Reallocation Event Count
C5=Current Pending Sector Count
C6=Uncorrectable Sector Count
F1=Total Host Writes
F2=Total Host Reads

== Vendor-specific attributes ==

[SmartMtron]
BB=Total Erase Count

[SmartIndlinx]
01=Read Error Rate
09=Power-On Hours
0C=Power Cycle Count
B8=Initial Bad Block Count
C2=Temperature
C3=Program Failure Block Count
C4=Erase Failure Block Count
C5=Read Failure Block Count
C6=Total Count of Read Sectors
C7=Total Count of Write Sectors
C8=Total Count of Read Commands
C9=Total Count of Write Commands
CA=Total Count of Error bits from flash
CB=Total Count of Read Sectors with Correctable Bit Errors
CC=Bad Block Full Flag
CD=Maximum PE Count Specification
CE=Minimum Erase Count
CF=Maximum Erase Count
D0=Average Erase Count
D1=Remaining Drive Life

[SmartJMicron60x]
09=Power-On Hours
0C=Power Cycle Count
C2=Temperature
E5=Halt System ID, Flash ID
E8=Firmware Version Information
E9=ECC Fail Record
EA=Average Erase Count, Max Erase Count
EB=Good Block Count, System Block Count

[SmartIntel]
03=Spin Up Time
04=Start/Stop Count
05=Re-Allocated Sector Count
09=Power-On Hours Count
0C=Power Cycle Count
C0=Unsafe Shutdown Count
E1=Host Writes
E8=Available Reserved Space
E9=Media Wearout Indicator
B8=End to End Error Detection Count
AA=Available Reserved Space
AB=Program Fail Count
AC=Erase Fail Count
BB=Uncorrectable Error Count
AE=Unexpected Power Loss
E2=Timed Workload Media Wear
E3=Timed Workload Host Read/Write Ratio
E4=Timed Workload Timer
F1=Total LBAs Written
F2=Total LBAs Read
F9=Total NAND Writes
B7=SATA Downshift Count
BE=Temperature
C7=CRC Error Count
AF=Power Loss Protection Failure
C2=Temperature
C5=Pending Sector Count
EA=Thermal Throttle Status

[SmartSamsung]
05=Reallocated Sector Count
09=Power-on Hours
0C=Power-on Count
AF=Program Fail Count (Chip)
B0=Erase Fail Count (Chip)
B1=Wear Leveling Count
B2=Used Reserved Block Count (Chip)
B3=Used Reserved Block Count (Total)
B4=Unused Reserved Block Count (Total)
B5=Program Fail Count (Total)
B6=Erase Fail Count (Total)
B7=Runtime Bad Block (Total)
BB=Uncorrectable Error Count
BE=Airflow Temperature
C2=Temperature
C3=ECC Error Rate
C6=Off-Line Uncorrectable Error Count
C7=CRC Error Count
C9=Super cap Status
CA=SSD Mode Status
EB=POR Recovery Count
F1=Total LBAs Written
F2=Total LBAs Read
AA=Unused Reserved Block Count (Chip)
AB=Program Fail Count (Chip)
AC=Erase Fail Count (Chip)
AD=Wear Leveling Count
AE=Unexpected Power Loss Count
B8=Error Detection
E9=Normalized Media Wear-out

[SmartSandForce]
01=Raw Read Error Rate
05=Retired Block Count
09=Power-on Hours
0C=Power Cycle Count
0D=Soft Read Error Rate
64=Gigabytes Erased
AA=Reserve Block Count
AB=Program Fail Count
AC=Erase Fail Count
AE=Unexpected Power Loss Count
B1=Wear Range Delta
B5=Program Fail Count
B6=Erase Fail Count
B8=Reported I/O Error Detection Code Errors
BB=Reported Uncorrectable Errors
C2=Temperature
C3=On-the-Fly ECC Uncorrectable Error Count
C4=Reallocation Event Count
C6=Uncorrectable Sector Count
C7=SATA R-Errors (CRC) Error Count
C9=Uncorrectable Soft Read Error Rate
CC=Soft ECC Correction Rate
E6=Life Curve Status
E7=SSD Life Left
E8=Available Reserved Space
EB=SuperCap health
F1=Lifetime Writes from Host
F2=Lifetime Reads from Host

[SmartJMicron61x]
01=Read Error Rate
02=Throughput Performance
03=Spin-Up Time
05=Reallocated Sectors Count
07=Seek Error Rate
08=Seek Time Performance
09=Power-On Hours
0A=Spin Retry Count
0C=Power Cycle Count
A8=SATA PHY Error Count
AF=Bad Cluster Table Count (ECC Fail Count)
C0=Unexpected Power Loss Count
C2=Temperature
C5=Current Pending Sector Count
AA=Bad Block Count
AD=Erase Count

[SmartMicron]
01=Raw Read Error Rate
05=Reallocated NAND Blocks
09=Power On Hours
0C=Power Cycle Count
0D=Soft Error Rate
0E=Device Capacity (NAND)
0F=User Capacity
10=Spare Blocks Available
11=Remaining Spare Blocks
64=Total Erase Count
AA=Reserved Block Count
AB=Program Fail Count
AC=Erase Fail Count
AD=Average Block-Erase Count
AE=Unexpected Power Loss Count
B4=Unused Reserve NAND Blocks
B5=Unaligned Access Count
B7=SATA Interface Downshift
B8=Error Correction Count
BB=Reported Uncorrectable Errors
BC=Command Timeout Count
BD=Factory Bad Block Count
C2=Temperature
C3=Cumulative ECC Bit Correction Count
C4=Reallocation Event Count
C5=Current Pending Sector Count
C6=Smart Off-line Scan Uncorrectable Error Count
C7=Ultra DMA CRC Error Rate
CA=Percent Lifetime Used
CE=Write Error Rate
D2=Successful RAIN Recovery Count
EA=Total Bytes Read
F2=Write Protect Progress
F3=ECC Bits Corrected
F4=ECC Cumulative Threshold Events
F5=Cumulative Program NAND Pages
F6=Total Host Sector Writes
F7=Host Program Page Count
F8=Background Program Page Count

[SmartMicronMU02]
01=Raw Read Error Rate
05=Reallocated Sectors Count
09=Power-On Hours
0C=Power Cycle Count
0D=Soft Error Rate
0E=Device Capacity (NAND)
0F=User Capacity
10=Spare Blocks Available
11=Remaining Spare Blocks
64=Total Erase Count
AA=Reserved Block Count
AB=Program Fail Count
AC=Erase Fail Count
AD=Average Block-Erase Count
AE=Unexpected Power Loss Count
B4=Unused Reserve NAND Blocks
B7=SATA Interface Downshift
B8=Error Correction Count
BB=Reported Uncorrectable Errors
BC=Command Timeout Count
BD=Factory Bad Block Count
C2=Temperature
C3=Cumulative ECC Bit Correction Count
C4=Reallocation Event Count
C5=Current Pending Sector Count
C6=Smart Off-line Scan Uncorrectable Error Count
C7=Ultra DMA CRC Error Rate
CA=Percent Lifetime Used
CE=Write Error Rate
D2=Successful RAIN Recovery Count
EA=Total Bytes Read
F3=ECC Bits Corrected
F4=ECC Cumulative Threshold Events
F5=Cumulative Program NAND Pages
F6=Total Host Sector Writes
F7=Host Program Page Count
F8=Background Program Page Count
A0=Uncorrectable Sector Count
A1=Valid Spare Blocks
A3=Initial Invalid Blocks
94=Total SLC Erase Count
95=Maximum SLC Erase Count
96=Minimum SLC Erase Count
97=Average SLC Erase Count
A4=Total TLC Erase Count
A5=Maximum TLC Erase Count
A6=Minimum TLC Erase Count
A7=Average TLC Erase Count
A9=Percentage Lifetime Remaining
B5=Program Fail Count
B6=Erase Fail Count
C0=Power-off Retract Count
E8=Available Reserved Space
F1=Total LBA Write
F2=Total LBA Read
F5=Total TLC Write Count
F6=Total SLC Write Count
F7=RAID Recovery Count

[SmartOcz]
01=Raw Read Error Rate
03=Spin Up Time
04=Start Stop Count
05=Reallocated Sectors Count
09=Power-On Hours
0C=Power Cycle Count
C2=Temperature
E8=Total Count of Write Sectors
E9=Remaining Life
64=Total Blocks Erased
A7=SSD Protect Mode
A8=SATA PHY Error Count
A9=Bad Block Count
AD=Erase Count
B8=Factory Bad Block Count
C0=Unexpected Power Loss Count
CA=Total Number of Corrected Bits
CD=Max Rated PE Counts
CE=Minimum Erase Counts
CF=Maximum Erase Counts
D3=SATA Uncorrectable Error Count
D4=NAND Page Reads During Retry
D5=Simple Read Retry Attempts
D6=Adaptive Read Retry Attempts
DD=Internal Data Path Uncorrectable Errors
DE=RAID Recovery Count
E6=Power Loss Protection
FB=NAND Read Count
F1=Total Host Writes
F2=Total Host Reads

[SmartPlextor]
01=Read Error Rate
05=Reallocated Sectors Count
09=Power-On Hours
0C=Power Cycle Count
C0=Unsafe Shutdown Count
C2=Temperature
C4=Reallocation Event Count
C6=Uncorrectable Sector Count
F1=Total LBA written
F2=Total LBA read
B1=Wear Leveling Count
B2=Used Reserved Block Count (Worst Case)
B5=Program Fail Count (Total)
B6=Erase Fail Count (Total)
BB=Uncorrectable Error Count
C7=CRC Error Count
E8=Available Reserved Space
AA=Grown Bad Blocks
AB=Program Fail Count (Total)
AC=Erase Fail Count (Total)
AD=Average Program/Erase Count (Total)
AE=Unexpected Power Loss Count
AF=Program Fail Count (Worst Case)
B0=Erase Fail Count (Worst Case)
B3=Used Reserved Block Count (Total)
B4=UnUsed Reserved Block Count (Total)
B7=SATA Interface Down Shift
B8=End-to-End Data Errors Corrected
BC=Command Time out
C3=ECC rate
E9=NAND GB written

[SmartSanDisk]
05=Retired Block Count
09=Power On Hours
0C=Power Cycle Count
AA=Reserve Block Count
AB=Program Fail Count
AC=Erase Fail Count
AE=Unexpected Power Loss Count
BB=Reported Uncorrectable Errors
C2=Temperature
E8=Remaining Life
F1=Total Host Writes
F2=Total Host Reads

[SmartOczVector]
05=Accumulated Runtime Bad Blocks
09=Power-On Hours Count
0C=Power Cycle Count
AB=Available Over-Provisioned Block Count
AE=Power Cycle Count (Unplanned)
BB=Total Uncorrectable NAND Reads
C2=Temperature
C3=Total Programming Failures
C4=Total Erase Failures
C5=Total Read Failures (Uncorrectable)
C6=Host Reads
C7=Host Writes
D0=Average Erase Count
D2=SATA CRC Error Count
E9=Remaining Life
F9=Total NAND Programming Count
F1=Total Host Writes
F2=Total Host Reads
64=Total Blocks Erased
B8=Factory Bad Block Count Total
CA=Total Number Of Read Bits Corrected
CD=Max Rated PE Count
CE=Min Erase Count
CF=Max Erase Count
D4=Total Count NAND Pages Reads Requiring Read Retry
D5=Total Count of Simple Read Retry Attempts
D6=Total Count of Adaptive Read Retry Attempts
DD=Internal Data Path Protection Uncorrectable Errors
DE=RAID Recovery Count
E0=In Warranty
E1=DAS Polarity
E2=Partial Pfail
E6=Write Throttling Activation Flag
F9=Total NAND Programming Count (pages)
FB=Total NAND Read Count

[SmartCorsair]
01=Raw Read Error Rate
05=Retired Block Count
09=Power On Hours
0C=Power Cycle Count
AA=Reserve Block Count
AC=Erase Fail Count
AE=Unexpected Power Loss Count
B5=Program Fail Count
BB=Reported Uncorrectable Errors
C2=Temperature
C4=Reallocation Event Count
E7=SSD Life Left
F1=Lifetime GB Written
F2=Lifetime GB Read

[SmartToshiba]
01=Read Error Rate
02=Throughput Performance
03=Spin-Up Time
04=Start/Stop Count
05=Reallocated Sectors Count
07=Seek Error Rate
08=Seek Time Performance
09=Power-On Hours
0A=Spin Retry Count
0B=Recalibration Retries
0C=Power Cycle Count
A7=SSD Protect Mode
A8=SATA PHY Error Count
A9=Total Bad Block Count
AD=Erase Count
C0=Unexpected Power Loss Count
C2=Temperature
C4=Reallocation Event Count
C5=Current Pending Sector Count
C6=Uncorrectable Sector Count
F1=Total Host Writes
F2=Total Host Reads

[SmartSanDiskGb]
05=Reallocated Block Count
09=Power On Hours
0C=Power Cycle Count
A6=Min W/E Cycle
A7=Max Bad Block/Die
A8=Maximum Erase Cycle
A9=Total Bad Block
AB=Program Fail Count
AC=Erase Fail Count
AD=Average Erase Cycle
AE=Unexpected Power Loss Count
BB=Reported Uncorrectable Errors
C2=Temperature
D4=SATA PHY Error
E6=Percentage Total P/E Count
E8=Spare Block Remaining
E9=Total GB Written To NAND
F1=Total GB Written
F2=Total GB Read

[SmartKingston]
01=Read Error Rate
02=Throughput Performance
03=Spin Up Time
05=Reallocated Sectors Count
07=Seek Error Rate
08=Seek Time Performance
09=Power-On Hours
0A=Spin Retry Count
0C=Power Cycle Count
A8=SATA PHY Error Count
AA=Bad Block Count
AD=Erase count
AF=Bad Cluster Table Count
BB=Uncorrectable Errors
C0=Unsafe Shutdown Count
C2=Temperature
C4=Later Bad Block Count
C5=Current Pending Sector Count
C7=CRC Error Count
DA=CRC Error Count
E7=SSD Life Left
E9=Lifetime Writes to Flash
F0=Write Head
F1=Host Writes
F2=Host Reads
F4=Average Erase Count
F5=Max Erase Count
F6=Total Erase Count

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发表于 2019-2-2 15:58 | 显示全部楼层
intel p4500这种安全吗
 楼主| 发表于 2019-2-2 16:00 | 显示全部楼层
huhudna 发表于 2019-2-2 15:58
intel p4500这种安全吗

算是新品,安全。
价格低廉的原因是3D1 TLC性能不怎么好看,迅速被3D2 TLC P4510系列淘汰了。
发表于 2019-2-2 16:06 | 显示全部楼层
SM865A没记错的话,应该看不到B1,所以可以直接充新
 楼主| 发表于 2019-2-2 16:10 | 显示全部楼层
qjj2857 发表于 2019-2-2 16:06
SM865A没记错的话,应该看不到B1,所以可以直接充新

OEM CDI看不见用Samsung的企业级工具看。
发表于 2019-2-2 16:13 | 显示全部楼层
第3方通用主控的盘根本看都不用看。。。
 楼主| 发表于 2019-2-2 16:15 | 显示全部楼层
coolcatlin 发表于 2019-2-2 16:13
第3方通用主控的盘根本看都不用看。。。

还是要看一下的,比如现在的545S这种 SMI2259,还算比较新,还是的安全~
第三方主控基本上两年以上的就不安全了~
发表于 2019-2-2 16:21 | 显示全部楼层
730安全吗
 楼主| 发表于 2019-2-2 16:32 | 显示全部楼层

应该是安全的~
发表于 2019-2-2 16:39 | 显示全部楼层
我买硬盘从不看这数据

Intel序列号一查保修日期,能从到手开始保5年的,管你数据多少,都可以安心用
发表于 2019-2-2 16:40 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
这年头,做个屌丝消费者真难…哈哈哈
 楼主| 发表于 2019-2-2 16:48 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
feiying2222 发表于 2019-2-2 16:40
这年头,做个屌丝消费者真难…哈哈哈

是这样
发表于 2019-2-2 17:06 | 显示全部楼层
universally 发表于 2019-2-2 16:39
我买硬盘从不看这数据

Intel序列号一查保修日期,能从到手开始保5年的,管你数据多少,都可以安心用 ...

保修政策早改了吧 没票1年
发表于 2019-2-2 17:17 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
没事,尽量买mlc的,坏了还可以拆flash
发表于 2019-2-2 17:22 | 显示全部楼层
zzh123 发表于 2019-2-2 17:06
保修政策早改了吧 没票1年

通过查保修日期是看这盘究竟什么时候出厂的,不是为了去保修。

市场上,新的盘从量大的商家那里买,基本不存在什么用过几天几周的事情,人家做的是流水的生意,没空玩小把戏。真正用过的盘,唯一可能成量出现在市场的可能就是拆机盘,这种盘一查出厂日期就明白。
 楼主| 发表于 2019-2-2 18:12 | 显示全部楼层
universally 发表于 2019-2-2 17:22
通过查保修日期是看这盘究竟什么时候出厂的,不是为了去保修。

市场上,新的盘从量大的商家那里买,基本 ...

这个其实各家正规渠道都可以啦~
这里主要针对的是向OEM/ODM出货的一些玩意吧~
 楼主| 发表于 2019-2-2 18:22 | 显示全部楼层
yysqu 发表于 2019-2-2 17:17
没事,尽量买mlc的,坏了还可以拆flash

hhhhhhhh
发表于 2019-2-2 19:16 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
在chh商家买了s3500 m.2 340g 看帖子后慌得一B啊
发表于 2019-2-2 19:27 | 显示全部楼层
请教下楼主啊,860 pro应该没法清吧?好像是新主控,但是850 pro看二手市场好多0读写盘,难道也能清?另外商家说三星盘0读写,这个看b1虽然知道大概写了多少,但是跟宣称的0读写盘也是差距很大
发表于 2019-2-2 22:02 | 显示全部楼层
vopf 发表于 2019-2-2 19:27
请教下楼主啊,860 pro应该没法清吧?好像是新主控,但是850 pro看二手市场好多0读写盘,难道也能清?另外 ...

850对应sm/pm86x
发表于 2019-2-2 22:22 | 显示全部楼层
xber 发表于 2019-2-2 19:16
在chh商家买了s3500 m.2 340g 看帖子后慌得一B啊

s开头的不是sata吗,怎么来m2了
发表于 2019-2-2 23:27 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
m2走的SATA协议
发表于 2019-2-2 23:47 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 gartour 于 2019-2-2 23:51 编辑

nvme也没那么安全。

就我所知,至少三星nvme的pm963/961是可以清零。

至于其他的,去咸鱼搜nvme+通电测试盘,凡是出现的型号,不用担心一竿子打死,绝对都是沦陷了的

发表于 2019-2-3 08:54 | 显示全部楼层
镁光m600我看算了吧,就没见到多少个有读写的二手盘的,我相信厂家不是做慈善的,生产一堆新盘不卖直接当福利发了。
 楼主| 发表于 2019-2-3 12:42 | 显示全部楼层
roughness 发表于 2019-2-3 08:54
镁光m600我看算了吧,就没见到多少个有读写的二手盘的,我相信厂家不是做慈善的,生产一堆新盘不卖直接当福 ...

比起什么M550之类的,出厂年份晚不少,最多就是用了一年清
发表于 2019-2-3 13:17 | 显示全部楼层

AHCI吧!
发表于 2019-2-4 11:26 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
照理来说,一般见过最猛的s3510拆机盘差不多2w小时,读写100t的样子,应该和寿命极限还差的远吧,哇咔咔
发表于 2019-2-4 11:55 | 显示全部楼层
我还有一块卖家号称换新的S3500闲置  买了几年了 会不会中标  
发表于 2019-5-12 14:34 | 显示全部楼层
买了个三星,f1有数值,b1 b3都是0,难道工具p*****改进了?
 楼主| 发表于 2019-5-12 15:02 | 显示全部楼层
dy4932 发表于 2019-5-12 14:34
买了个三星,f1有数值,b1 b3都是0,难道工具p*****改进了?

F1有数值很正常,B1这种,代表DWPD次数,要比较大量的写入才会引起变化。
F1这种LBA的一般是512b就有数据变化了。
你算一下F1对应的写入值就知道大概是多少了,这种一般几m可能?通了个电之类的。
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